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Old 02-03-2014, 07:33 PM   #1 (permalink)
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This is a quick note and picture from the comment and idea I posted in Randy's thread on the undecorated caboose a few days ago.
My idea and comment was that hardly any of the SG cabeese made have the correct trucks on them, the manufacturers feel regular freight car trucks look fine, I tend to differ. Well I have now found the correct Bettendorf/Barber style trucks , or close to them. The only problem is I have to buy a WHOLE new caboose in order to get the trucks. To recoup part of the cost, I am re-selling the new caboose without the trucks for $50 less than the cost. Here is a shot of a USAT wide vision caboose after the truck refit.



I also found a way to make a bracket that mounts under the platforms on the 2 beams without doing any cutting of the caboose frame.
A pair of Kadee 907s fits the bill and looks oh sooo much better than having truck mounted couplers and the new trucks. I didn't get a picture, but will add one later.

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Old 02-03-2014, 11:55 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Nice job Rocky.

I, also, body mounted Kadee 907 centerset couplers on the USAT caboose without cutting the body.
In the process, I lowered the caboose.

An example Santa Fe Extended Vision Caboose with extended draft gear box that emulate a prototype is shown below.







For different methods and detail, see full article:
"Body Mounting Kadee 907s to USA Trains Bay Window & Extended Vision Caboose (Without using a glued on coupler pad block or cutting the caboose body)"

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Old 02-04-2014, 08:41 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Rocky,
Here are some 1/29 caboose trucks I got from Ozark as kits a few years ago. I don't know if they still have the castings or not. I got early production runs and had do do some modifications to make them work correct. I don't believe they were ever offered on their website, maybe because of the additional work needed to make them operate as they should. I later took off the belts because of drag. Here are a few photos.











Just for kicks,take a look at the sideframes on the Aristo SD45. I modified them to a more correct flexicoil for the SD45.
The stock Aristo three brake cylinder version are fine for SD7/9's but were used very little on SD45's.

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Paul,

Is your SP caboose a modified Aristo "long caboose"?
My Aristo caboose looks to be off-scale (maybe 1/24) with its steps, etc. too large for 1/29 scale. If you used the Aristo caboose, what were all your mods?

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Ted, I believe Paul's cabeese ARE modified from Aristo's cabeese. I know paul does a lot of work to make things look right.
I too am getting ready to do a group of modified Aristo cabeese to be correct for the GN version. The Aristo long caboose is based on a 25 foot design, GN's standard is based on a 30 foot design. So not only will I have to be lowering the caboose, but making it longer too AND change the cupola to a centered side window and smaller end windows. On this early attempt, X-274 shows features of the next ones I'll be doing, but they just need to be longer. Correct Bettendorf Barber trucks will round out this modification.





A lot of special hand made details went into this model. I expect more to go on the next ones.
I got about a dozen REA cabeese I've been hording over the years, so that may yield about 5-6 kitbashed models.
I figure if I do them all at the same time like a production line, it won't take as long and be easier too. 2 of these
will be special cabeese and will need a special cupola. I'll start a thread later when I start the project.

Now GN Did have some of the 25 footers like Aristo, but they were wood side and the cupola was like X-274.
One thing I noticed on Aristo's models, most are based on a NE design. This makes it more work for those of us
who model western roads.

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I presume Rocky that you move the roof latters over to the left side from the original position. Later RJD
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Yes RJ I did,
GN put their ladders on the left side on this type of caboose. I wanted to stay as prototypical as much as possible. Note one of the details added was the chain and ring from the hand rail on the end down to the coupler pulling pin. This was one of the safety features on the GN. The brakeman or conductor could pull the pin from the platform without having to go down the steps and lean over to grab the pulling lever. On the right side is the air controls to cut in and out the air to the air line on each end of the car. Once again, it can be done without leaving the platform of the caboose or leaning over the end to turn the side **** valve.

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I don't get it??
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Paul,
Do you know if the Ozark trucks are 1/29 or 1/32? They look really good! Do you have a part number in case Ozark still makes these?
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Craig,
No part number. Been awhile and like I said,I don't think they ever made it to the website. They were 1/29. The original castings were made by John McGuyer. Here is a photo of Johns original master.[img]http://www.mylargescale.com/1stclass/PaulBurch/Models/Caboose%20truck/McGyerstrucks┼*hgenerator.jpg[/img]
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