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Old 02-10-2008, 04:26 AM   #1 (permalink)
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First of all MTH chose to go with 1/32 scale. Mike said that this was more true to scale with the track everyone was using. Okay I see that, but most prototype guys are into 1/29 do to the availability of rolling stock offered by Aristo and USA.* Second, MTH has just offered some nice flat cars with caterpillar loads. I thought these were cool until I seen the flat cars were in a fake caterpillar paint scheme as well. If MTH wants to be more true to scale, they need to offer flat cars that actually exsist. This isn't O-scale.
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yeah..I always thought it was very ironic that MTH claims they went with 1/32 because its "correct for the gauge", while 1/29 isnt.
but then they went and made toy-trains in the O-scale "tinplate" style in that "correct" scale!
totally negating any advantage of the "scale correctness" of 1/32.

USA trains and Aristocraft diesels, in 1/29 scale, are MUCH more accurate scale models than MTH..even with being the "wrong gauge"..

Then..MTH also goes and makes all the same engines that already exist in the Large scale world!
Alco PA's, F-units,..some are unique though, like the Challenger and the GE dash-8 with the "spartan cab"..

but from my perspective, I dont even consider MTH locomotives a viable option..because they are too small, and I cant stand the "toy train" style..
I will probably never buy a MTH loco...ever. unless they switch to 1/29!

On another forum awhile back (I think it was the Bachmann forum) someone commented that MTH seems to be selling locomotives..but to who??
no one ever sees them! I am a member of a Garden Railroad club with 40+ members..a lot of those members have LS diesels..
I am not aware of ONE single club member who owns ONE single MTH diesel! not one..
plenty of USA trains and Aristo diesels in the club though..

so who is buying MTH??

My theory is that there are two seperate groups of Large Scalers..first, you have the garden railroaders..myself and the members of my club,
and it seems most of the members MLS...they tend to favor 1/29.

then..perhaps you have a second group...the Large Scalers who graduated from O-scale...perhaps these guys have indoor "tinplate" "toy-train" style layouts, with tight curves and swinging pilots in the tinplate tradition..and maybe those are the guys buying and running MTH??* They would already be familiar with MTH from the O-scale world, and if they wanted to build a O-scale style layout indoors, MTH is the natural choice..and the two groups seldom cross paths...we dont hear much about them because they arent "Garden railroaders"..
we are in seperate model train worlds.

maybe...thats the only I was I can explain any success MTH is having..otherwise I dont understand it at all..

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I started with large scale because I inherited some significant amounts of LGB stuff from a relative. Then I bought some aristo stuff because it was relatively cheap and I liked the big steam. Now I have a bunch of mixed scale stuff, which is fine of course.*

But knowing what I do now, if I was starttng from scratch, I think I'd go with MTH all the way. I've gradually added sound and remote control to one of my locos, and that's gotten the total cost of a cheaper Aristo engine--even using the less expensive train engineer system--right up to what I'd have paid for an MTH Hudson, with less control thnhat the MTH systems. The MTH DCS system is great--excellent sound and smoke effects, lots of control. I like the look of their engines and rolling stock--it doesn't jump and "pop" like the 1:29 stuff does, but it looks more to scale to me, better with the track. And also frankly 1:32 is a little easier to manage--easier to store, easier to carry etc.

Downside I suppose is the limited range of 1/32 stuff. I suppose you could argue that MTH would sell more in 1:29, and maybe so. I still think if I was starting from scratch Id just get some MTH locos with DCS and be done--no more trying to figure out Aristo's cryptic manuals, or cobbling together control/sound systems from three different manufacturers
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I know people who Aristo, USA, LGB, MTH and others. They run them all together.
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Here's where the 1:32 guys mostly go.* http://www.accucraft.com/* Check out the new 1:32 cars in plastic. Sets of four with different numbers, a bit over $100 per car. Boxcars, reefers, and a beautiful (pricey) brass express reefer and UP and SP cabooses. The MTH is fill-in to get additional prototypes and are often re-detailed. Steam era is the main thing here although some diesels too.

Incidently They also have a 1:29 line.
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Posted By Scottychaos on 02/10/2008 7:02 AM
yeah..I always thought it was very ironic that MTH claims they went with 1/32 because its "correct for the gauge", while 1/29 isnt.
but then they went and made toy-trains in the O-scale "tinplate" style in that "correct" scale!
totally negating any advantage of the "scale correctness" of 1/32.* . . and I cant stand the "toy train" style..

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Never seen the MTH products. This is an interesting analysis--and I appreciate it. Like another poster in this thread,* I might have considered the 1:32 scale as well had I started that way and not become so heavily invested in the Aristocraft/Bachmann/LGB/USA products, but after reading your post, it is probably just as well that I never had the opportunity.* I, too, am no fan of the Lionel toy train look.*

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I am amazed when the "toy train" statement comes out about MTH.....

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I agree Pod. A friend of mine has the MTH Challenger and it's a fine looking engine. He also has several Accucraft and plans a couple more MTH. They all look fine together. I guess it depends on how you run 'em and the way MTH often markets their products. I think most of the criticism comes from ignorance of the product and/or an over exuberant promotion of other brands. Too, MTH isn't the only one that sometimes produces rolling stock in "fantasy" paint schemes.
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Posted By Scottychaos on 02/10/2008 7:02 AM

...USA trains and Aristocraft diesels, in 1/29 scale, are MUCH more accurate scale models than MTH..even with being the "wrong gauge"..

...but from my perspective, I dont even consider MTH locomotives a viable option..because they are too small, and I cant stand the "toy train" style..

...On another forum awhile back (I think it was the Bachmann forum) someone commented that MTH seems to be selling locomotives..but to who??
no one ever sees them! I

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Wow!* Seems to me you're zero for three on those points!* Wrong, wrong, and wrong!* Smply amazing!
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Posted By Allan W. Miller on 02/10/2008 6:11 PM
Posted By Scottychaos on 02/10/2008 7:02 AM

...USA trains and Aristocraft diesels, in 1/29 scale, are MUCH more accurate scale models than MTH..even with being the "wrong gauge"..

...but from my perspective, I dont even consider MTH locomotives a viable option..because they are too small, and I cant stand the "toy train" style..

...On another forum awhile back (I think it was the Bachmann forum) someone commented that MTH seems to be selling locomotives..but to who??
no one ever sees them! I

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Wow!* Seems to me you're zero for three on those points!* Wrong, wrong, and wrong!* Smply amazing!


Allan, no..actually I am still "right, right and right" apparently you are unfamiliar with the concept of "opinion".. Scot
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