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Old 11-22-2019, 02:57 PM   #11 (permalink)
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BioEthanol for centerpiece fireplaces etc. Amazon has lots on site. I have used it in locos and it works fine. I ordered my last box last year so the refs may have changed.
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Odd - I just ordered 5 pints through Amazon - no issue. We will see if it shows up.

In the meantime, it is probably worth experimenting with other fuels. I will start with this that sounds promising....

Regal Flame Ultra Pure Ventless Bio Ethanol Fireplace Fuel - 6 Quarts

But no way I am going to convert my Aster's to butane......
5 pints showed up this morning from Amazon and my local Truevalue store had plenty on the shelves when I went in earlier today for something else. Seems like we may be panicking too early - I think I now have enough in my garage for a couple of years of steaming.

Reminds me of my steam oil panic several years ago and I am still working my way through what I bought then.

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Old 11-22-2019, 05:17 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Def not trying to raise panic, however I did notice that Lowes shows DA (Denatured Alcohol) and no longer available on their website, this was for KleenStrip gallon cans. I contacted Home Depot and the gentleman I asked about this could not find it an any location. At the same time, Once I started with paint stores, I found they did indeed have it in stock. This may have been an issue with big box stores. Time will tell.

On a side note, I did find a blog posting where various types of DA was tested against each other, I think it was Heet, SLX DA, and KleenStrip Green DA. It was noted that the Green DA burned with a more pronounced soot. This could be a problem with live steamers since we have no way to easily clean our flues. I will experiement with this when I get a chance.
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Old 11-22-2019, 06:06 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Should have seen it coming a over a century ago.

As we all know, "Engines" never could hold their "fire water" and you never know what they may do.
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Avoid the big box stores for it maybe.
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Here in the States, one can generally obtain MSDS documents - manufacturer's safety data sheets - for any hazardous chemicals.

Concerning denatured alcohol (essentially ethanol deliberately adulterated (poisoned) with dangerous methanol, I remember that we had this discussion in detail a couple of years ago.

"Meths" or methylated spirits as sold in the UK is even more toxic than the denatured alcohol we have here in the States because it has colorants and other crap in it. Our stuff is mostly clear - a combination or relatively safe ethanol with very dangerous methanol.

Pure Ethanol is sufficiently clean-burning that one does not have to be overly concerned about breathing in the products of combustion - mainly water and CO2 and this is why it is OK for indoor fireplaces, cooking stoves and lamps.

It's the liquor industry that does not want to see cheap ethyl alcohol made readily available to the general public, but this stuff really works well and it is almost pure ethanol:

Lumina Products Smartfuel

From the MSDS, we can see that it is >90% Ethanol with the remainder being 4.8% to 9.0% isopropyl alcohol.


I would not recommend using it for Limoncello


MSDS for Lumina Smartfuel

As long as biofuel fireplaces remain legal in California, the fuel should remain available?

Requires additional research, I presume.

Methanol?

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Methanol is highly flammable and toxic. Direct ingestion of more than 10mL can cause permanent blindness by destruction of the optic nerve, poisoning of the central nervous system, coma and possibly death. These hazards are also true if methanol vapors are inhaled.
Kleenstrip Denatured Alcohol is 30% to 50% Ethanol and 40% to 60% methanol, so dangerous stuff to be sure.


Ingesting 2 ounces of Methanol is generally fatal to an adult. That would be about 4 ounces of Kleenstrip Denatured Alcohol.


MSDS for Kleenstrip Denatured Alcohol


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I would assume that since methanol/denatured alcohol has been banned in California that that is the end of World of Outlaws, USAC etc Sprint Car as well as different Midget series racing is dead..........I don't think so!!! I suggest you guys quit panicking and think clearly and outside the box (stores). Smaller independant paint stores and certainly specialist speed shops will have it but you might have to buy a few gallons from the latter and split it with your fellow steamers. Where there's a will, there's ALWAYS a way.
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I would assume that since methanol/denatured alcohol has been banned in California that that is the end of World of Outlaws, USAC etc Sprint Car as well as different Midget series racing is dead..........I don't think so!!! I suggest you guys quit panicking and think clearly and outside the box (stores). Smaller independant paint stores and certainly specialist speed shops will have it but you might have to buy a few gallons from the latter and split it with your fellow steamers. Where there's a will, there's ALWAYS a way.
I was buying Sunoco Racing Methanol, it works great in our locos and the 5 gallon cans was cheaper than buying the 1 gallon tins from home improvement stores. But even these outlets seem to be going away. The nearest retailer is now over 100 miles away!!
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Of course, in worst case scenario, you could start making your own. The independent ingredients are available in California. Remember the real reason for "denatured alcohol" was to elude the alcohol excise taxes. The mixture of the major components will create the foul smelling, bad tasting and more likely poisonous combination. Otherwise, I see some day trips into Nevada, Oregon, Arizona or south of the border.
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YEP, the California legislators are out to do away with anything that burns. Berkeley ( better known as Berserkly ) has now banned all natural or LP Gas appliances and heaters. Too the Liking of Gov. Newsom of course.
We Model scrapped Iron Belching Horses, so I imagine they'll want to Ban us soon too.>
Am I too critical or just the product of many generation of true born Californian since 1836.
Anyway I'll just keep steaming until they come and take me away.
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