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Old 01-06-2020, 12:34 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Just a general thought on installing RC. It's one of the things I study very carefully at meetings. There are simply so many things one can do some other way. Also I find studying things IRL makes it simpler to notice and understand small aspects on things.

But browsing webpages can certainly give inspiration. Like I found pictures of a reverser servo install, where the servo was mounted in between the the frames, in the wrong end of the reversing rod, instead of in the cab, where one would normally operate a reverser. Everything moves as usual, just the servo acts on the reversing mechanism in an unexpected place.

I don't think I would ever have come up with that idea on my own.

I believe one member here uses chain and two sprocketwheels to connect the servo and throttle. Yet another interesting variation.
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Old 01-06-2020, 04:38 PM   #22 (permalink)
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I believe one member here uses chain and two sprocketwheels to connect the servo and throttle.
Not just one - quite a few of us use 1/8" (0.125") chain and sprockets. It helps in adjusting the amount of throttle movement for a conventional 90 degree servo.
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In the olden and golden days of steam locomotion the fireman worked the hardest stoking the fire for higher boiler pressure for more steam thus fire for more steam pressure. Seems reasonable the same practice applies in our maller world. Maybe not for a small locomotive with a small load but with larger locomotive and the greater the load on a locomotives trying to climb very long shallow grade or a steeper grade more steam is required. Either that or you lose steam pressure with the climb as the steam pressure drops precipitously.

Therefore, if your using RC you need a servo on the gas valve or alcohol valve (not an alcoholic I don't know too much about their firing) or running after a coal locomotive shoveling coal to build steam pressure as well as the steam throttle to increase steam to the cylinders..

Like Tim Allen used to say on his sitcom Home Improvement, "AAAAhhhh, more power, more power.)

Is there something I'm missing or wrong about steam locomotive climbing?

If your running a Shay little of this applies but they're too slow to be fun with grades for me. Their great for switching but then that's kinds too slow for me too.

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Old 01-14-2020, 10:37 AM   #24 (permalink)
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Running on a level railroad is boring. See my Betsy pulling 2 heavy flat cars up a hill:



or for that matter my cog loco (under construction):




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Chris, well, yes, there is another option. My live steamers may stop on the hill due to lack of puff, but the steam pressure builds up again and then they start moving again - just like the prototype. No need to adjust the gas or alcohol. Doesn't work for a single cylinder like Otto, but I have seen this happen with most of my trains.
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Steam and grades really comes down to what the OP desires in operation. Does he want to sit back, switch off the control(or manual control) and just watch the train run without needing constant attention to the throttle(unless switching/setting out cars), or does he want to be controling the throttle 100% of the time? Grades add opearating challenges, just as on the real ones. Keeping grades mild as possible and curves as large as possible adds to the enjoyment and lessens the risk of a rollover on a curve at the bottom of a grade should speed get a little out of hand. There is also the Slomo inetia device from down under that fits a few models from Roundhouse and Accucraft(mostly UK/Euro models though) that gives the model the response of a real engine that weighs several tons instead of just a few pounds.
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Well not a two cylinder, but did get a 28t shay. Looks like a nice steady steamer.
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Just a general thought on installing RC. It's one of the things I study very carefully at meetings. There are simply so many things one can do some other way. Also I find studying things IRL makes it simpler to notice and understand small aspects on things.

But browsing webpages can certainly give inspiration. Like I found pictures of a reverser servo install, where the servo was mounted in between the the frames, in the wrong end of the reversing rod, instead of in the cab, where one would normally operate a reverser. Everything moves as usual, just the servo acts on the reversing mechanism in an unexpected place.

I don't think I would ever have come up with that idea on my own.

I believe one member here uses chain and two sprocketwheels to connect the servo and throttle. Yet another interesting variation.





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Old 04-19-2020, 04:57 AM   #29 (permalink)
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I would tend to agree with Mr Welticks advice: keep those curves as large as possible They are the offenders we never think about. Although I personnaly don't indulge in RC, because I like the hands on aproach. I can vouch that on Adam Houghton's fabulous track at Staplehurst in Kent, masterfully built by my good friend John Butler there is a main oval with 26' radius curves and a branch. When you take the branch there is a 1% drop to a viaduct across the pond, followed by a short siding (with a water plug - most recomended) after which you climb back out always at 1%, and beleive me that is very spectacular with a T1 and a good size train.You really get to see your engine at work! But with large radius it works well too.
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Old 04-22-2020, 12:13 AM   #30 (permalink)
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Chris, well, yes, there is another option. My live steamers may stop on the hill due to lack of puff, but the steam pressure builds up again and then they start moving again - just like the prototype. No need to adjust the gas or alcohol. Doesn't work for a single cylinder like Otto, but I have seen this happen with most of my trains.
I think new old timer would say, "That's no way to run a railroad." Even more so for a revenue operation of olden days - start stop, stop start, stop start... See an unsustainable pattern forming?

And so your saying the fireman on a Shay, Highsler, etc., did nothing while lagging up a steep hill trying to make more steam by stoking the fare ? Bet the other loggers loved that guy. Somehow I think pretty quickly he took a short swim off their tallest trestle. Sure it probably happened but the firman was anything but taking a cat nap.







Besides, you're denying the fire it's chance to lend a helping hand. You're also forgetting the first rule of steaming; more steam. Absolutely first the engineer orders more steam and opens up the throttle to beat the hill before his load overloads and slows or brings operations to a halt. Call it a game between the train and hill to the top of the hill - who gets there first?

I suggest we stop counting angels on the head of a pin 'cause we're never going to agree on the size of the angeles or size of the pin's head. I learned a while ago onceuponatime the point end was actually really thought of as the 'head' of the pin. Never sewed so I don't know these histories things.
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