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Old 10-09-2009, 08:25 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Parts list and or wiring diagram for 22194 SP Mogul or GN/C&O 0-4-0?

I just got a LGB 22194 Southern Pacific Mogul. I intend to replace the tender with a standard LGB Mogul tender rather than the one that came with it.

Does anyone happen to have either the parts diagrams or wiring diagrams for the loco and tender (especially a diagram that explains the wiring harness between the loco and tender)? I am mainly interested in identifying the wires between the loco and tender so I can replace the tender and sound system with a regular Mogul tender and Sierra Soundtraxx sound system. I don't think this loco/tender has a chuff circuit but that is one thing I am trying to verify without disassembling the Mogul.

I believe the tender is the same as the one that comes with the LGB Great Northern and C&O 0-4-0s but I have not found either parts or wiring diagrams for them either.

As far as I know only the GN and C&O 0-4-0s and the SP Mogul have this tender and I believe the 22194 is the only Mogul with the DCC interface so wiring diagrams for other Moguls or 2-4-0s will not help (I already have those).

It may be that the GN and C&O tenders share the same wiring circuits as the LGB 2-4-0 locos such as the UP with sound but I don't want to start connecting wires until I am sure especially since only the SP Mogul has a DCC interface which would suggest a different wiring circuit.


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Jerry -

May be too late, but I found some info about the 22194 that might be useful. There's some info in German here:

http://www.lgb-fan.de/faq/welche-mzs...ok-benotigt-2/

You can run it through one of the internet translators (I used translate.google.com). The gist of it is that the loco has a "DCC interface" and takes a 55027 or similar and the tender, with the sound, has a "decoder direct" interface which takes a 55021 or Massoth L.

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Posted By JeffS on 15 Jul 2010 06:22 AM
Jerry -

May be too late, but I found some info about the 22194 that might be useful. There's some info in German here:

http://www.lgb-fan.de/faq/welche-mzs...ok-benotigt-2/

You can run it through one of the internet translators (I used translate.google.com). The gist of it is that the loco has a "DCC interface" and takes a 55027 or similar and the tender, with the sound, has a "decoder direct" interface which takes a 55021 or Massoth L.

have fun, Jeff

Hi Jeff,

Thanks, that is pretty much what I had. Putting the decoders into the loco and tender would not be a problem if I was going to use the original tender and sound systems but one loco does not have a tender (I will use a regular LGB Mogul tender for it) and I expect to replace the sound system in the tender with a different one.

Unfortunately LGB used a starter set sound system with this Mogul.

Someone mentioned that this loco does not have a chuff magnet which will change my plans.

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Posted By jgallaway81 on 15 Jul 2010 12:32 PM
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Yes, Always.

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JERRY!!!!!! SUCCESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I found a scanned version of the user manual which includes a pinout for the sound /power connection!

here you go. if you don't get this before the pdf disappears... I grabbed a copy to my archives.. let me know if you need an email!

http://www.champex.net/lgb_produktdatenbank_d-e/medien.nsf/medien/EC0E1B82B7E15E4C8525714D0048013A/$FILE/2x194_042006.pdf
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Default RE: Parts list and or wiring diagram for 22194 SP Mogul or GN/C&O 0-4-0?

My guess is that Jerry must have already found this since his post of 15 July 2010.

He has listed several LGB "data sites" on a recent thread, and this one was one of them.

I don't remember the thread off hand, but I have listed those LGB sites on my web site too.


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I believe the oil tender is the same as the 0-4-0/2-4-0 and is really a 69232 sound version.

Big wiring difference.

Moguls had several woiring differences.

Old versions:
3 wires, 2 for track power, one for tender light (used 1 track power connection for the light).

6 wires, same as above plus 3 wires for chuff circuit, sensors were on rear engine axle, sound unit and speaker were in tender.

MTS version, sound is in engine, 3 pairs of wires to tender. 1 pair is track power, one pair is rear light, and 3rd pair is for the speaker.

Then there is the oil tender with a 5 pin connector. 2 wires for track power, other 3 controlled sound and rear light.

SO, be careful mixing tenders between moguls as you can get real smoke one time only!!!!! Real smelly also!!!!
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Hi Guys,

I'm afraid I fell asleep at the wheel and I had totally forgotten about this topic.

Those poor 22194 SP Moguls have been sitting there where I put them down 7 months ago. I walk past them once in awhile but I had forgotten that I was trying to figure out how to wire one of them.

I had never found the manual I was looking for (thanks for the link to it).

Greg is right in that I did post links to several sites for LGB information but it never occurred to me to look for what I had asked about. I had mainly posted the links for others to find stuff.

We have had some medical stuff that came up with my wife and that pretty much scrambled whatever thought processes I had.

You will understand better as you get older.

I will set a deadline of July of this year to get around to doing something with the 22194's. Thanks for waking me from my slumbers.

Regards,

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Hey Jerry, sorry about your troubles.

If its any consolation, it doesn't just happen when you are older. My wife also has issues which we need to keep a very careful eye on.

I happened to have discovered the manual while looking for the parts diagrams for ANY of the three engines, either the C&O or GN 0-4-0 switchers or the SP mogul. That blasted little mysterious vanderbilt tender is the ONLY LGB item in my roster that I haven't found diagrams for. It took a lot of careful looking but I found diagrams for the Stainz (fairly easy actually) the 50' steel boxcar (the hardest) the centerflow hopper and the unibody tankcar, all of which I have in non-Marty sized fleets.
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