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Old 12-04-2017, 05:55 AM   #11 (permalink)
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The train in the movie was all wrong. Starting with the locomotive which was a Paris- Orléans designed for branch line service which never came close to hauling the orient. The consist was quite wrong also just using one of the brown and cream Golden Arrow pullmans, could only be incorrect. As a matter of fact the Orient as a long trip did not feature Pullman cars as they were specialised in daytime runs of less than ten hours (longest would have been the Paris-Nice train P1 and 2). And usually were used on all pullman consists. like the Etoile du Nord, the Oiseau Bleu, the P1 the Vichy Pullman and the Deauville express of short existence. All Wagon lits trains of the era between the two W.W. sported a baggage car at each end supposedly to protect the trains in case of derailments and colisions as per French gov. regulation (comparable to the ICC) dating back to consists with wooden bodied cars. And to pursue, it was filmed on a Jura line supposed to represent the Yougoslav mountains near Bulgaria (where the real Orient of wooden cars was held up by snow for a few days and actually attacked by wolves, the legend says). And the engine which pushes the snow plow around to releive the train is a liberation mikado made in the USA (or Canada) and delivered as part of the Marshal plan. So much for realisme of railroad related sets in films, and remember I was a set designer, I should know. Much more interesting document on French railways in steam days is the Train and of course Renoir's Bête Humaine, but no sleepers there at all.
As I said this is not to be grumpy but just so people on the other side of the pond know how it was; it's information.

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Old 12-04-2017, 11:29 AM   #12 (permalink)
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The train in the movie was all wrong.
You seem to comment on the Murder on the Orient Express movie from 1974 while I mentioned the movie from Kennethe Brannagh issued in 2017 (which by the way does not have a brown and cream Pullman but still is incorrect).

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Old 12-04-2017, 12:37 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Sorry I wasn't aware of this 2017 movie version and will try to see it.
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Old 12-04-2017, 06:17 PM   #14 (permalink)
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I wouldn't bother. Its an awful film and you would be horrified to see US outline loco, carriages and stations masquerading as the Orient Express.
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Old 12-05-2017, 10:05 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Sounds like Shanghai express which if I remember correctly featured Marleen Deitrich and directed by Joseph Von Sternberg, supposed to happen in China but with fabulous shots of SP 4-8-2 in action and heavyweights all shot in sunny California of course.

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Old 12-06-2017, 06:25 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Sorry, I forgot to mention the very impressive trestle - presumably located some thousand miles west of any of the Orient Express routes!
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Old 12-07-2017, 06:28 AM   #17 (permalink)
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I wouldn't bother. Its an awful film and you would be horrified to see US outline loco, carriages and stations masquerading as the Orient Express.
I agree about the film but the locomotive is the French 241A65 Mountain with smoke defelectors "upside down" and not US outline loco. You can see some of the making of the movie with this locomotive here:
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Old 12-07-2017, 06:28 AM   #18 (permalink)
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Actually the real Direct orient express had a very complex history and life with constant changes of itiniraries, pending on the completion of railway networks and lines, then for political reasons, civil wars and wars. By 1977 it had all but disapeared and included only one MU type Wagon lits in its consist the rest being built up by coaches from the various administrations it served.

If this film was done with the 241 A 65 than at least that loco is bang on accurate for the French leg of the trip as they were used on the Paris- Basel part of the run right into the early '60s.
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Sorry to spoil it for you but no such loco was used in making the film.

The whole thing was filmed in a studio outside London using specially built locos and carriages - and the trestle:

http://www.kftv.com/news/2017/10/27/...d-in-uk-studio

Classic case of misleading titling on a youtube clip!
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Old 12-07-2017, 06:35 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Lots more detail here:

https://drawing425.deviantart.com/ar...ites-702364107

Looks like we're all wrong! The Youtube clip is of the real loco but they don't seem to have used it and instead built an approximate fantasy in the film studio.

I still say the observation car and the trestle look completely wrong for a train stuck in a snowdrift in the Balkans.
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