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Old 06-17-2018, 05:44 AM   #1 (permalink)
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i've been using an aristo train engineer in the past without issues. ok, i had a small 150ft loop of track with no obstacles.


3 years ago i moved to a house and laid track all around the new house. since almost all buildings in switzerland are concrete with tons of reinforcing steel it really impacts the TE signal. with other words : i can't control my trains for most of the the layout. bummer.


i tried to extend the antenna on the track receiver but just gained another few feet.


been browsing the web, searched this forum for any hints of good and reliable alternatives.


here are the conditions :
- track powered prefered (dc, pwm or even dcc)
- handheld throttle should have a working distance of 150ft minimum
- system should provide 10amps minimum. i want to be able to run 2-3 aristo dash-9
- track length approx 250ft. railjoiners and track soldered. works perfect. even at lowest speed setting of train engineer.
- minimum radius is 6.5ft
- track is level. difference between lowest and highest point is less than 2".
- no turnouts, therefore no turnout control needed.




since my n-scale empire is all digitrax dcc this might be an option. i have a dect based handheld solution integrated with digitrax dcc. range of 300ft or more. unfortunately digitrax only offers 8amp boosters. they really might be too weak.






does anyone of you have a good solution ? any help will be appreciated.






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edit : fixed some typos. except for the title. couldn't correct it.
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Old 06-17-2018, 07:36 AM   #2 (permalink)
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It is high priced but my Zimo DCC system will go over 200 feet!!
And it is in my cellar!!
Also has a 12 plus an 8 amp output for 20 amps of track power!!
Sends 24 volts to the track, not 21 volts!!
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nice system. but the price tag ... costs an arm and a leg.
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A very trust worthy enterprise;


https://www.gscalegraphics.net/store...ack_Power.html


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I would like to make sure we are talking the same language. Are you using Aristocraft Train Engineer that operates on 27 or 72 MHZ or are you using Crest Train Engineer Revolution that operates on 2.4 GHZ? There is a huge difference in these systems.

Also, are you saying that the interior walls of your house are concrete and reinforcing steel?
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i have a 27mhz aristo train engineer.



what are the differences between aristo and crest ? thought that was the same company.




over here almost all buildings are made of steel reinforced concrete.
g-scale trains go around the house. except for the backside of the house there's always at least one 15" thick concrete wall between handheld throttle and the receiver.
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I have the same. I was just wondering...Have you tried running extra wires out further on the same loop? Or to many turnouts etc That would cause it to be impossible?

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That is a very old product. Aristocraft came out with the Crest Train Engineer Revolution to replace it. After Aristocraft went belly up, some people tried to continue on with the Crest product. They did for awhile. They couldn't manage to do it. The people who built the Train Engineer for them took it over. They have had it for quite awhile. I think it is a very good product. I use it. Here is a link to their web site:
http://www.revoelectronics.com/
They also have a new product for DCC. The Train Engineer has sound built in. The sound is not fancy, but it has basics like bell and a whistle or horn. It also has outputs to control other things like smoke.

The Revolution product has 5 amp and 15 amp receivers. They may be used onboard. The DCC product has 5 amp receiver/booster. There is a 15 amp receiver/booster in the works.
I don't know if anyone could tell you for sure if it would work under your circumstance. Outdoor range is up to 400 or 500 feet. It operates on 2.4 GHZ.
The web site has a lot of information such as manuals and wiring diagrams.
I never saw where you said what the interior walls of your house were made of. You could try emailing the Tain Engineer people and see what they say. Sometimes emails just go by the wayside. It would probably be an expensive phone call.
Now that you have a name of a product, maybe you could ask around in Switzerland and see if anyone has used it.

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Digitrax, you already have some of the parts needed. Add one or two 8 amp boosters. You now can easily add WiFi to use phones for throttles if wanted.
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jason,


all track is soldered, no turnouts. just a simple loop around the house. approx 250-300ft. not sure how more track feeders should solve the problem.




tom,
thanks ! looks interesting. will send these guys an email.




mike,
as far as i know dcc boosters can not be combined. that means, using two 8 amp boosters one one section of track doesn't give you 16amps.






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